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so then on top of that you got to fiscal cliff discussions in washington where the president wants to raise the income tax on top earners by another 3% or so in addition to this, these taxes you and i were just discussing. >> yeah. and that's a crucial point, because obama has repeatedly said he wants to go back to clinton era rates, but that ignores this new surtax at the beginning of the year. if they take the top rate from 35 to 39.6, it'll actually be 43.4 on investment income because we'll have that additional surtax on top of that. so dividends, for instance, which are 15 now could be going all the way to 43.4 which could have a very negative impact on the stock market. megyn: so right now if you make money off dividends, which a lot of folks do. you know, it's not just the super rich who get dividend income from their stock investments, right now you pay a 15% tax on that, and president obama wants to change that to you should get taxed on that income as though it's your actual, like, salary. and if that, if he gets his way on that, then that income goes up to whatever your sal
so then on top of that you got to fiscal cliff discussions in washington where the president wants to raise the income tax on top earners by another 3% or so in addition to this, these taxes you and i were just discussing. >> yeah. and that's a crucial point, because obama has repeatedly said he wants to go back to clinton era rates, but that ignores this new surtax at the beginning of the year. if they take the top rate from 35 to 39.6, it'll actually be 43.4 on investment income because...
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cliff there are a lot of other things that are showing a living much more than. i think it's a great point and i know that you're saying ok we need to look ahead fight the next battle not the last one but i do want to revisit a bit of it because there is still a narrative that exists around tarp which is something that you speak a lot about in your book and kind of the advantages that these big players got you know their access to capital at a time when they may not have had that capital that they were able to raise from private lenders but there is this narrative now that exists i want to play a sound bite you get your take. do you know that taxpayers actually made money on the wall street bailout. they say may not g.m. but they did on the on the last report about how does that make you feel any differently. so that was an occupy wall street protest awhile back but this idea that the government made money on tarp it really makes my skin crawl i mean you know i hear that and boy that i could it was ok so let's do it again right we may write any yes defense on how
cliff there are a lot of other things that are showing a living much more than. i think it's a great point and i know that you're saying ok we need to look ahead fight the next battle not the last one but i do want to revisit a bit of it because there is still a narrative that exists around tarp which is something that you speak a lot about in your book and kind of the advantages that these big players got you know their access to capital at a time when they may not have had that capital that...
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unlike the rest of the fiscal cliff, which affects tax rates that will play next year, the patch applies to the return that we will all have to file early next year. so if there is not congressional action here, there is an abrupt increase in tax on the 2012 taxable year in 20 of 11 approximately 4 million people paid the amt. if there's not a patch, 30 million people will be required to pay the amt in 2012 for the current taxable year and they will pay an additional $90 billion in tax. very few of them have any idea. >> host: is the irs prepared? >> guest: the irs took a fairly unusual -- but i think correct position. they took the position that congress will do the responsible name. so they did their tax program for next year, for the 2012 return, assuming congress would enact the patch before the end. i think that was a reasonable thing to do because i believe they will do that. however, it does mean if there is not a patch, the tax return idling season next year would be quite chaotic. >> host: john buckley is our guest and we talk about the alternative minimum tax as part of the ove
unlike the rest of the fiscal cliff, which affects tax rates that will play next year, the patch applies to the return that we will all have to file early next year. so if there is not congressional action here, there is an abrupt increase in tax on the 2012 taxable year in 20 of 11 approximately 4 million people paid the amt. if there's not a patch, 30 million people will be required to pay the amt in 2012 for the current taxable year and they will pay an additional $90 billion in tax. very...
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well, the fiscal cliff now. republicans are proposing a brand new plan to prevent the so-called falling off of that cliff. the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts that are set to kick in on the first of the year. the proposal counters one from the white house which republics deemed a joke. the g.o.p. plan would at least for now extend the bush era tax cuts including those cuts for the wealthiest americans it proposes raising $800 billion from tax reform over the course of the decade. and includes more than a trillion dollars in spending cuts. but monday none of them he really detailed. in addition the plan called for changes to the so-called entitlement programs, increasing the eligibility age for medicare and lowering the annual cost of living hikes for social security hikes. flu our -- put theirs on the table and dared republicans to do the same. >> they have done that tonight. the officials saying that the counter offer is ridiculous. they are hammering the fact that there is not enough in terms of tax reve
well, the fiscal cliff now. republicans are proposing a brand new plan to prevent the so-called falling off of that cliff. the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts that are set to kick in on the first of the year. the proposal counters one from the white house which republics deemed a joke. the g.o.p. plan would at least for now extend the bush era tax cuts including those cuts for the wealthiest americans it proposes raising $800 billion from tax reform over the course of the decade. and...
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january 1st, fiscal cliff getting closer. boehner the president a letter you lining the republicans' plan it took two hours for the white house to reject it, saying it benefits wealth any and sticks middle class with the bill. republicans want cuts to -- [ unintelligible ] we have quiet start here on wall street, positive, dow and s&p, nasdaq lower investors continuing to track what is going on in washington. bloomberg index this morning a little lower. another positive report on home prices up 6.3% in october biggest jump since june of 2006. pending forecast indicates november index up more than 7% in california better, up more than 9% in october. live at the new york stock exchange, i'm jane king. >> you passed on grease how about a little singing in the rain? >> [ unintelligible ] >> if mike wants to sing, go ahead. >> sing and dance. >> soft shoe over there. >> i have an umbrella for you. you -- good morning. 6:48, looking from mount tamalpais this morning back down on what is mainly cloudy to the south, turning to the no
january 1st, fiscal cliff getting closer. boehner the president a letter you lining the republicans' plan it took two hours for the white house to reject it, saying it benefits wealth any and sticks middle class with the bill. republicans want cuts to -- [ unintelligible ] we have quiet start here on wall street, positive, dow and s&p, nasdaq lower investors continuing to track what is going on in washington. bloomberg index this morning a little lower. another positive report on home...
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could face massive spending cuts and tax increases known as the fiscal cliff. they are talking about it in washington. today congressional republicans put forward alternative to the president plan. but tonight we are no closer to a deal. political reporter mark matthews explains what that means. >> san francisco cafe owner has been watching the cliff creep closer an hoping for rest logs. >> because if they don't it's going to be really tough. >>reporter: he's talking about employees. see the income taxes increase by a couple of thousands dollars. >> cost of living is really high and tough to make it especially in the city like san francisco. >>reporter: if congress and president can't reach an agreement income taxes will go up on nearly all americans. average family will be paying an extra 2000 to 2400 dollars a year. automatic spending cuts mean cuts to education. transportation. research and development. there's proposal to up airline fee that is could raise 1 billion dollars cutting back on those who 7 fad stamps could bring in another 4 to 16 billion over 1
could face massive spending cuts and tax increases known as the fiscal cliff. they are talking about it in washington. today congressional republicans put forward alternative to the president plan. but tonight we are no closer to a deal. political reporter mark matthews explains what that means. >> san francisco cafe owner has been watching the cliff creep closer an hoping for rest logs. >> because if they don't it's going to be really tough. >>reporter: he's talking about...
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. >> i'm certain that if this is not good enough for the white house, we will go over the fiscal cliff. >> the white house rejects a republican counter offer. >> john boehner sent a proposal that offers more than $2 trillion in deficit reductions but no tax increase. >> he will not sign an extension of the bush era tax cuts for the top 2%. >> folks worried about the fiscal cliff, are you like me? are you worried about it and have no idea what it is? >> according to state tv iran's revolutionary guard captured a u.s. drone after it entered the iriranian air space over the persian gulf. >> but u.s. navy official says there are no missing drones. >> prince william and his wife katherine, expecting their first child. >> after the duchess was admitted to hospital. >> that child could grow up to be one of the most powerful unemployed people in the world. >> a search is under way in new york for a man accused of pushing another man to his death in the subway. >>> rg3, he made opportunities. >> 17-16 washington redskins. >> all that -- >> why don't you shut up? >> you are an embarrassment. >>
. >> i'm certain that if this is not good enough for the white house, we will go over the fiscal cliff. >> the white house rejects a republican counter offer. >> john boehner sent a proposal that offers more than $2 trillion in deficit reductions but no tax increase. >> he will not sign an extension of the bush era tax cuts for the top 2%. >> folks worried about the fiscal cliff, are you like me? are you worried about it and have no idea what it is? >>...
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it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end? that would be kind of interesting. we'd take a big bite out of the deficit and everybody's taxes would go up, but i think the sun would come up tomorrow. >> huh. >> we may find out. >> okay, little orphan annie. >> so, gene, do you think right now that's you advise the president to do if the republicans don't come forward with more specifics? >> if i'm advising the president right now i'm advising him to wait a while. and that maybe when we get closer to the date, the calendar will concentrate the minds of many people in washington and a conversation will be more fruitful. >> all right. >> okay. eugene robinson, thank you. >>> still ahead, the former british prime minister tony blair joins us next. >>> and next, the "national journal's" ron fournier tells us his touching cover story next. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. americans are always ready to
it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end? that would be kind of interesting. we'd take a big bite out of the deficit and everybody's taxes would go up, but i think the sun would come up tomorrow. >> huh. >> we may find out. >> okay, little orphan annie. >> so, gene, do you think right now that's you advise the president to do if the republicans don't come forward...
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a silver coin. >> it's going over the fiscal cliff. >> up, up, up. up, up, up, into the hand. >> yea! >> penn, in your book you talk about you cry every day. >> all the time. >> why? >> i don't know. i think -- there's a quote by bob dylan, it frightens me the awful truth of how sweet life can be. since i had my children -- my children are young, 6 and 7. i no longer can tell whether i am crying from sadness or crying from joy. they seem exactly the same. the speed at which life is speeding by us, you know. i sometimes worry. maybe the obsession with atheism comes from the fact that i worry that people spend so much time thinking about the afterlife and worry about the supernatural, they miss the glory of every day that is to be exalted. every moment looking at my children, you know, i just, i feel that, that rush of moving a billion miles an hour through life. >> is is it, enjoy it? >> yeah, all we have is love, family, and the world around us. and you know that's enough. anything else. >> and play in las vegas. >> exactly. >> penn jillette, thank y
a silver coin. >> it's going over the fiscal cliff. >> up, up, up. up, up, up, into the hand. >> yea! >> penn, in your book you talk about you cry every day. >> all the time. >> why? >> i don't know. i think -- there's a quote by bob dylan, it frightens me the awful truth of how sweet life can be. since i had my children -- my children are young, 6 and 7. i no longer can tell whether i am crying from sadness or crying from joy. they seem exactly the...
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and tomorrow night nancy pelosi will join me to talk about the fiscal cliff. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> good evening, ed. thank you. thanks to you at home for staying with us. if you get a tweet from president obama, you will know it by his signature. the president has an official twitter account from which all sorts of on message things get tweeted. but the white house says you know when a tweet has been written by the president himself because in that case the tweet gets a little initial signature. a "bo" in lower case. barack obama, as in i the president wrote this tweet. if it was a dog, it would be the paw print. the president was writing his own tweet this is afternoon. the string of twitter messages about the budget negotiations in washington. the white house announcing in advance today that the president himself would be answering people's questions about the negotiations in washington. he would be answering them directly on twitter starting at 2:00 p.m. eastern. it is kind of awesome that regular people can ask direct questions from
and tomorrow night nancy pelosi will join me to talk about the fiscal cliff. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> good evening, ed. thank you. thanks to you at home for staying with us. if you get a tweet from president obama, you will know it by his signature. the president has an official twitter account from which all sorts of on message things get tweeted. but the white house says you know when a tweet has been written by the president himself because in that case...
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. >>> let's go to washington, now, for the latest on the fiscal cliff. just 28 days until everyone's taxes are set to go up. house republicans have now sent the white house their own plan for getting america's finances under control. but both sides still far apart. abc's jake tapper is covering this from the white house. jake, the white house downplayed this new offer but will it be enough to jump-start negotiations? >> reporter: i don't think so, george. the white house advisers describe the proposal that republicans offered yesterday, as a step backward in terms of negotiations. what the outlying house republican states is $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction. that includes 1.2 trillion in spending cuts. $800 billion in new revenue. optimistic projections. and $200 billion in other measures, such as adjusting the consumer price index. but house republicans say if the president doesn't like this, it's incumbent upon him to offer a plan that can make it through the house and the senate. >> the white house says they want to see the republicans first say tha
. >>> let's go to washington, now, for the latest on the fiscal cliff. just 28 days until everyone's taxes are set to go up. house republicans have now sent the white house their own plan for getting america's finances under control. but both sides still far apart. abc's jake tapper is covering this from the white house. jake, the white house downplayed this new offer but will it be enough to jump-start negotiations? >> reporter: i don't think so, george. the white house advisers...
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cliff. this morning president obama will host some of nation's governors to spread his message. the president wants to raise 1.6 trillion in revenue by increasing taxes on top 2% of income earners. republicans countered with plan it would raise 800 billion dollars in revenue but doesn't call for raising tax rates on the wealthy the proposal was quickly rejected by the white house. >>> if you plan to fly anywhere for the holiday, book your flight right away. >> here's jane king with the bloomberg business report. >>> good morning. if you are thinking of flying over the holidays and don't have a ticket yes, book fast. airfares are up 4% compared to last year now that advanced purchase window can keep costs down if you buy 21 days in advance. if you are looking to save, christmas day airfares are cheaper along with december 27th and 31st, 17th and 18, may be good. congress gearing up to overall haul student loan debt collection wisconsin representative expected to introduce a measure this week
cliff. this morning president obama will host some of nation's governors to spread his message. the president wants to raise 1.6 trillion in revenue by increasing taxes on top 2% of income earners. republicans countered with plan it would raise 800 billion dollars in revenue but doesn't call for raising tax rates on the wealthy the proposal was quickly rejected by the white house. >>> if you plan to fly anywhere for the holiday, book your flight right away. >> here's jane king...
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i hope we face this fiscal cliff would've the reader to talk about because that would be very dangerous to people not only in the state of new jersey, that the other states in the metropolitan area in the tri-state area. we are working with the ways and means committee as a member myself to draft legislation modeled after other epic storms, which would bring some tax relief allowing businesses to expense the cost of disaster recovery is critical when we see how many businesses have been wiped out. popular vote damaged low-income housing and providing help in financing the momentous task of rebuilding infrastructure. what we have now in fema is not good enough for the losses small businesses businesses. it just is not. we don't need no interest on. what we need is a new addressing of the major problems. small businesses are not satisfied with low-interest loans at this point. it's beyond that. it needs to be responded to what i hope this legislation will do that. you take a look at bergen county in the ninth congressional district. two towns were wiped out when the hackensack river rose
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. >> watching wall street the fiscal cliff negotiations may not be going well with the housing market coming in strong. the dallas 45 and we are back over the 13,000 mark. home prices rose in october the most is seen in six years a 6.3% climb in house prices. >> a warning from the centers for disease control. this coming season flu season could be a particularly bad one. it is recommended if you've not got a flu shot you might consider it. dr. randyberge n says this strain of the flu will be a powerful one. everyone over the age of six should get a flu shot. the deal lets say that the flu shot will give them the food that is not true. >> the injected form of the flu vaccine it is just a piece of the virus. it is not possible for a piece of the virus to cause a full- fledged flu. >> a third of americans have been vaccinated and the vaccine that is going around this year is a pretty good match for the strain floating around. >> there are remote control airplanes that could be used for is surveillance. the sheriff's office unveiled its of the public in october. they will be is for sucker
. >> watching wall street the fiscal cliff negotiations may not be going well with the housing market coming in strong. the dallas 45 and we are back over the 13,000 mark. home prices rose in october the most is seen in six years a 6.3% climb in house prices. >> a warning from the centers for disease control. this coming season flu season could be a particularly bad one. it is recommended if you've not got a flu shot you might consider it. dr. randyberge n says this strain of the...
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. >> jennifer: karl, is the fiscal cliff a republican party? it's a problem for us, but the political side, isn't it really a problem for them? >> it's a huge problem, not just in the immediate where we are right now sense of the word. i'm surprised when they showed them to blame i guess in the halls of congress the republicans said yes we're ahead in the poll. this boiled down to their fading power with their fading demographics in the country and the demographics that look poorly on them. acting as spoiled children that hold this country ransom does not help them with any of the demographics that reelected this house, increased the number of democrats in the house or the senate. >> the tea party might say we won one and we lost one. we won 2010. we lost 2012 because we were too moderate. we had a meally mouth nominee-- >> i believethey're in a position-- >> if they act like real conservatives, real nut jobs, then we're proven right. they're blinded by their own ideology. >> i'm not surprised that a party who does not believe in evolution has
. >> jennifer: karl, is the fiscal cliff a republican party? it's a problem for us, but the political side, isn't it really a problem for them? >> it's a huge problem, not just in the immediate where we are right now sense of the word. i'm surprised when they showed them to blame i guess in the halls of congress the republicans said yes we're ahead in the poll. this boiled down to their fading power with their fading demographics in the country and the demographics that look poorly...